Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:05 am
Common Consensus
Hi 
. I have of late become concerned about a small problem that I can see turning into a significant one. I'll try to keep this post like a skirt as someone I respect thinks it should be .
Consider these factors:
1) there is an increasing need for experts as haypi itself increases. Subsequently hasty decisions could be made which could lead to ill chosen experts.
2) many of the experts we now have are quite young and may have seemed like good choices for experts at the time of their approval but it seems a legitimate concern that these young ones may not be mature or learned enough to properly handle the full responsibilities of being an expert.
3) quite frankly the current set of rules is a mess. It is a mismatched, disunified , hodgepodge of good intentions but it has no common purpose, single vision, or, in all sincerity, any true effectiveness. The real problem I see lies with the rules, not the young or ill chosen experts. Why? Because the rules can be miss interpreted, abused, and too strictly enforced. The cycle can't perpetuate if the rules are fixed (young or ill chosen experts are beside the point once the rules are fixed).
What do these factors lead to and what could they lead to in the future? Simply put: tyrants, but I'm not entirely known for leaving things simply put… I would classify these "tyrannic experts" as such because of a prominent developing problem (there are a few more minor ones but I think that addressing this one will pretty well fix the others). I could give many examples but I'm trying to keep this short and already failing. The basic problem is that the forum/server rules are in place to keep things polite and civilized but with the factors I presented earlier they are being overly enforced to the point where people who otherwise wouldn't are beginning to rebel against them. Subsequently this becomes a vicious self perpetuating cycle in which people rebel against the "tyrant" and the expert, through lack if understanding or maturity, feels that the only way to fix the "problem" is to be more strict and mute people more swiftly. Thus the noose tightens on itself till world chat has been hung.
It's obvious support has become aware if the problem because admins have been in world chat a lot more recently and we have even had an expert from another server transferred to our server. I think, though, that the way to fix this is by revamping the rules. The biggest change I would insitute would be what I would call a "common consensus" rule that not only recommends but urges experts to wave some of the minor rules under certain circumstances. The basic idea is that if there is a majority of people respectfully disagreeing with the expert on his/her "interpretation/enforcement" that he/she should waive the rule (albeit obvious major offenses like extremely vulgar language).
Also I think that someone should take a close look at the rules and see what can be done about making them more unified in their proper purpose.
So there you go peoples. Please tell your friends about this. Every opinion counts! I really think it would be good for the people high up on the totem pole to consider this so the more attention it gets the better thnx!
-Kold
. I have of late become concerned about a small problem that I can see turning into a significant one. I'll try to keep this post like a skirt as someone I respect thinks it should be . Consider these factors:
1) there is an increasing need for experts as haypi itself increases. Subsequently hasty decisions could be made which could lead to ill chosen experts.
2) many of the experts we now have are quite young and may have seemed like good choices for experts at the time of their approval but it seems a legitimate concern that these young ones may not be mature or learned enough to properly handle the full responsibilities of being an expert.
3) quite frankly the current set of rules is a mess. It is a mismatched, disunified , hodgepodge of good intentions but it has no common purpose, single vision, or, in all sincerity, any true effectiveness. The real problem I see lies with the rules, not the young or ill chosen experts. Why? Because the rules can be miss interpreted, abused, and too strictly enforced. The cycle can't perpetuate if the rules are fixed (young or ill chosen experts are beside the point once the rules are fixed).
What do these factors lead to and what could they lead to in the future? Simply put: tyrants, but I'm not entirely known for leaving things simply put… I would classify these "tyrannic experts" as such because of a prominent developing problem (there are a few more minor ones but I think that addressing this one will pretty well fix the others). I could give many examples but I'm trying to keep this short and already failing. The basic problem is that the forum/server rules are in place to keep things polite and civilized but with the factors I presented earlier they are being overly enforced to the point where people who otherwise wouldn't are beginning to rebel against them. Subsequently this becomes a vicious self perpetuating cycle in which people rebel against the "tyrant" and the expert, through lack if understanding or maturity, feels that the only way to fix the "problem" is to be more strict and mute people more swiftly. Thus the noose tightens on itself till world chat has been hung.
It's obvious support has become aware if the problem because admins have been in world chat a lot more recently and we have even had an expert from another server transferred to our server. I think, though, that the way to fix this is by revamping the rules. The biggest change I would insitute would be what I would call a "common consensus" rule that not only recommends but urges experts to wave some of the minor rules under certain circumstances. The basic idea is that if there is a majority of people respectfully disagreeing with the expert on his/her "interpretation/enforcement" that he/she should waive the rule (albeit obvious major offenses like extremely vulgar language).
Also I think that someone should take a close look at the rules and see what can be done about making them more unified in their proper purpose.
So there you go peoples. Please tell your friends about this. Every opinion counts! I really think it would be good for the people high up on the totem pole to consider this so the more attention it gets the better
thnx!-Kold
Last edited by Koldfyngrz on Mon Aug 23, 2010 6:32 am, edited 1 time in total.
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