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Rector18

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Post Sat Sep 15, 2012 12:52 pm

Re: Resolution Revolution

Kelso next time you quote someone how about making sure all the quotes are from the same person? Half the stuff you "quoted" I didn't say yet you talk like I did. As for the parts I did say let's see... 1) every glitch here doesn't compare to this one, as you said, because they are all much worse because THEY HAPPEN EVERY DAY MULTIPLE TIMES. What's worse, something that happens once or something that happens constantly? So there's one argument you don't have. Next one the whole you can't buy orange stones for 10 honor and you're right, in fact it would cost about 40,500 honor to buy enough stones to get 1 level 5 assuming you do all successful synths. Now I'll admit that 15 honor (cause that's what you get for a win, not 10. But I'll pretend like you did know that) isn't much, but I usually get dc'd on about 10-15 times a day depending if I'm having a good day or not and on whom I'm facing. Assuming its 15 times that's now 225 honor a day at least, times by 7 days a week and that's 1,575 honor, which is almost the cost of an egg (425 isn't really much considering you can get 150 just from the tasks). So yea, one dc won't hurt. But because it happens very often then it does add up. Having said that, that's not the reason I mentioned that, the relevance was that a dc is basically a glitch. You dc so you don't lose points and the other player does, even though you knew you were going to lose. Next argument, in case you didn't realize not all crystal users use that glitch. I've tried it maybe 3 or 4 times but only on one map where it's actually possible on and everytime I usually end up freezing the guy so it doesnt do much damage. Honestly I think it's a dumb glitch but one that should be fixed anyway, but not all crystal users do it and even the ones who do there's only 1 maybe 2 maps that it's really possible on. Next off the banning of account sharers. Sharing an account for any reason is against haypi's terms aggrement and therefore punishable by a ban of the account and possibly all other accounts your ip is linked to. If you don't believe me look it up. So to answer your question yes, I would love to see them banned. And the last one is the whole it would be unfair to open the market up again for 200 silver point I made. To answer your question yes, they really would have an unfai advantage. Why? Well simply put who said anything about synthing them? Do you have any idea how much level 4 stones go for as a npc price? (the answer is a lot, 30,000 silver to be exact) I'm not going to do the math to figure out how much profit they would have made off these stones, and although most people wouldn't need the money because their dragons are already upgraded, that's not the case with everyone. Plus if the level cap is finally raised then there is a good chance another ability would be added, if not they can use it to upgrade their other dragons (devil is pretty expensive, but it wouldn't make a dent in what these guys made). So now I'm going to ask you a question: what exactly are your arguments here? Are you just trying to shoot my ideas down because they actually are most senseful than yours and cause people to disagree with you? Or do you just think that you know everything? So far I've shot more holes in your argument than a machine gun would against a piece of paper and I don't see you saying much against me. Oh and before I forgot I never said the 200 coin price was fair or unfair, but it's still the price and you can still buy them which is what the guy I responded to with that was saying, how they wished they could buy level 4 stones/chests.
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Kelso17

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Post Sat Sep 15, 2012 7:31 pm

Re: Resolution Revolution

I actually quoted many people because I wanted to respond to everyone in one post rather than many. I was attempting forum ettiquite,

After all, something that happens constantly is worse
than something that happens once.

Without question there is absolutely no one who has received more benefit by exploiting other glitches for months than the people did who maxed their warehouse with lv4 chests. Don't tell me I don't have an argument if they can't even be compared. This disaster is completely on another level.

I'll give examples.

When they changed honor from 10 to 15 they also fixed the DC glitch. Hence why I said 10 honor. To reflect the reward when it was happening. The 10 honor gained from a successful DC glitch is/was so minute, that it did not amount to anything assuming they used it for actually purchasing items. They did not have eggs the entire time people were exploiting the DC win in PVP.

But in this case I'll humor it, lets pretend it's still happening. Let's say people who glitched pvp, have played for a total of 1 hour a day @ 30 second turn around. Let's also say for every 5 DC's they glitched honor once and gained their illustrious 10 honor. (Make this 15 if you really want to account for the last month.)

120 matches a day @ 20% success is 24 DC wins. 240 DC honor per day, times that by 290 days (dating back to december 1st) is 69,600 DC honor. The equivalent of 139 level 1 stones. People with 16 warehouse slots (The number of slots needed for 139 stones) got 139 lv4 stones in 1 hour. The equivalent of 3,753 level 1 stones or 1,876,500 honor. The equivalent of winning 187,650 PVP matches which would take 5 and a half hours per day since December 1st if you win every time. To try compare the DC glitch to the chest glitch is a stretch.. but,

After all, something that happens constantly is worse than something that happens once.

The only people who do not use the ice rain glitch are people who don't know it, or haven't had the chance to. It doesn't matter if you did it once, or 1,000 times. Don't try justify that it's okay only because someone hasn't had as many opportunities as others.

I won't mention that the ice rain glitch was actually included in the comparative glitch argument to the lv4 chest glitch. Do I really need to re-calculate the above argument using honor gained from the ice rain glitch?

After all, something that happens constantly is worse than something
that happens once.

Really,
Every parent who let their kids play should be banned.
Every friend who let their friends play should be banned.
Every wife/husband/gf/bf who let their significant other play should be banned.

Ultimately meaning, every referral this game has ever received should be banned. God forbid they ban everyone at a get together who downloads the game at the same time.

Growing your consumer base by getting referral after referral because you do something that many people like and want to be part of it is how business works. It's how this game evolves. It's how this game survives. It's how YOU can still play this game. How much fun would you have playing with yourself?

After all, something that happens constantly is worse than something
that happens once.

In my opinion, players can only do so much with silver that isn't time restricted. To myself, there's no benefit, but hey if a player needs silver, buy them and sell them all. Get all the silver they want. Roll in it. Make a mess. Use it for 4 hour training a few times a day. Whatever floats their boat. Players see this glitch as valuable in different ways.

You would have the chance to get YOUR value out.

Now, onto your personal attack.

To answer your question, my argument has been the same simple argument from the beginning. This glitch has tilted the game (especially pvp) in such dramatic fashion, no active glitches can compare and
something of equal benefit to all players needs to happen in order to regain it's equilibrium, even if haypi takes a loss one way or another. It's lose a little now, or lose a lot later. All I know is that I'm glad it's not me on the other end making the decision.

I'm sorry you had to take this to a personal level. I commented on everything I read up to that was against my idea or against a solution of giving everyone something of equal value. It was by chance I pointed out that some of the comparisons you made were irrelevant, but this has given me a chance to elaborate why. Nothing you said made someone who agreed with me disagree.

You have one person who agrees with you - and I enjoyed reading their post because their English is as good as Haypi's.

As far as my argument is concerned, you've allowed me to fill the voids with reason. If you're going to comment on this again with your thoughts or opinions, argue with what is said not with me. You will lose.
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Rector18

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Post Sat Sep 15, 2012 8:54 pm

Re: Resolution Revolution

Oh stop being a whiny baby. For the 20th time this is just another one of haypi screw ups and you're blowing it out of proportion because YOU were left out. You didn't get all of those fancy stones so now like any little kid would do you're throwing a tantrum. This happened ONE TIME and you're saying it's worse than something that happens everyday and that's bull. Now let's move on to your ignorance shall we? The dc glitch was patched (although people still dc) in the last update HOWEVER there are some people who did not update (there's at least one on s7 who has two devices, one updated one not, just to take advantage of the glitches). That means they still get 15 honor but can also dc and freeze up the game. So yes, it is still 15 honor. Now let's move on to the ban subject. Yes, I believe that anyone who shares an account WITH ANOTHER DEVICE (clearly you don't know what account sharing is) should be banned no matter who it is and for what reason. It's against the terms that EVERYONE agreed to so there are no exceptions. Next off you're right doing a glitch once or 1,000 tImes is wrong but that doesn't mean you should make it sound like its all crystal users do because it's not. And besides how about lava and his grenade glitch? What's wrong you use lava so you didn't mention that? That's ok we can just ignore that cause I'm sure no lava user ever does it, clearly on crystal cheats. And don't give me that forum etiquette bs. You know what etiquette is? SAYING WHO SAID WHAT. Otherwise people assume and assuming is bad for everyone involved. Last off, since you seem to like repeating yourself, one exploitation is better than a repeating occurance, anyone can agree with that. No one was negitivlty affected, just left out, therefore no one should be complaining about it because it didn't do anything. I mean yea it sucks but not because it happened, it sucks because only a small group took advantage. I would be the first to say that I would have bought some, but I'm not going to whine to support that I was left out because I'm not some crybaby. Plus, it's not going to get you the stones anyway so why bother
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JY808

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Post Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:12 am

Re: Resolution Revolution

Rector your one time argument is weak. It was only one time but it was huge! It's kind of like saying my wife/gf annoying habits bother me much more than the "one time" she banged an entire football team. Or the bank lost all my money but that's okay it was only "one time", haypi's "one time" glitch let ppl get what has taken most months to achieve in only 1 hour. I'm from s2 and there are some that grinded dragons to 35+ and still have no oj, I'm sure in one hour of lvl 4 chest purchases those who knew about it will have at least one dragon full oj. My main dragon isn't even full oj and ive been playing pretty much from the release date, but it's okay that those who bought chests can surpass what has taken me months in a mere hour?
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Rector18

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Post Sun Sep 16, 2012 6:09 pm

Re: Resolution Revolution

I find it hard to believe you're from s2. I'm on s2 and s7 so I know what people have. Heck on my s7 account (which I only had for about 7 or 8 mOnths at most) I have all purple stones on all my dragons except a couple blue here and there as well as an orange defense on my main dragon, with an orange mana coming as soon as I get either a third blue mana to synth or a third purple mana. So to say that a server that's been around for twice as long as I've been playing s7 doesn't have orange is bull. Plus to say that now they all have full orange...well that's just a dumb assumption. First off you need to get three of the same stones, and there are 10 possible stones you can get, so you have a 1 in 10 shot of getting a stone, but getting the same stone three times for each stone? That's very difficult to do. But let's just say that they managed it. Now they need to force synth 10 level 4 synthesizes successfully. Just getting one successful synth at level 4 is a one in a hundred shot, but 10 of them? No way. So now they need to get the same three stones all over. But let's say they did actually manage to either do all 10 or had 10 very rare level 4 synth stones. Then yes, they would have all orange. Of course they also needed the energy crystal to unlock the other two slots, so really they'll only have 8 level 5 stones embedded. But let's say they do all 10 succesful force synths, have both slots unlocked and are now all orange. If, by some miracle, they did all of that then they would have an advantage, but one so small that people who already have high level stones wont notice. Besides, youre not the only ones who worked for their stones. I already mentioned i had all purple on almost all my dragons and one orange (got it from a crystal chest that i got from beating devil) and yet im not on here crying to mommy support saying "pwease mummy, i would like some purple stones for my dragons like all the other kids on the street." instead im ignoring it and actually talking about the problems that matter. Second off THIS IS A GAME DUMB АSS. You can't compare a wife cheating on you or a bank losing all your money to the price of a VIRTUAL box being changed to VIRTUAL currancy, that's like comparing a bb gun to a hydrogen bomb. And since you clearly cannot read I said its not AS BAD AS something that happens daily. That means, to educate you because you clearly need it, that one thing is bad, however something else is worse. In this case a one time mistake, because that's all this is (not a glItch, not a hack, A MISTAKE), is worse than an actual cheat/glitch/hack/bug that happens every single day to people and on most days more than once. You see how I compared two IN GAME problems there? Not an in game problem and adultery with an entire football team? Yea that's how you compare the correct way, two similar events. But fine, you guys win. Go complain about you not getting lollipops while all the neighborhood boys did. In the mean time my crystal and I will be looking for you in pvp, and hopefully I'll be able to stick an ice rain bomb right up your dragons backsides. Then we will see which you think is worse
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JY808

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Post Sun Sep 16, 2012 8:43 pm

Re: Resolution Revolution

Not as hard to synth as you think I'm 2/5 this week. And remember they had a full hour to do this! How long do you think it takes to buy and open boxes? As long as you had over 20 warehouse slots I really don't think getting 9 of each is that hard. They could buy a bunch try and synth selling stones for 30k a pop to afford it and then buy more, honestly I think you could pull a minimum of 50 attempts at oj. Even if they aren't full oj and lvl 5 stone is supposed to be a big plus so even if they only got one or two that's unfair. And if you don't believe me go ask dale from s2 how many oj he got.
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Rector18

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Post Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:11 pm

Re: Resolution Revolution

2 for 5? Bull. Just like everything else you say. And that's all I'm saying cause I'm done with both of you noobs
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Mavios

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Post Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:13 am

Re: Resolution Revolution

Rector18 wrote:2 for 5? Bull. Just like everything else you say. And that's all I'm saying cause I'm done with both of you noobs


I got my hp stone lv 5 from first try, crt from 3rd, def from 7th another crt from 3rd attk from 4th I think. All before 1.5 update except defense

Why guys can't you wait for what haypi is going to do? Clearly they are not taking suggestions from us and they will do what ever they won't and give us the silent treatment as they are doing now plus making most of the players angry.I thought you guys got used to this by now :D

I don't see a solution that will make everyone happy anyway. And the effect of those bought purple stones is not that apparent (yet) to me at least.
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JY808

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Post Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:04 am

Re: Resolution Revolution

Bull? Why would I have a need to lie, just say this week. I've failed about 8 times previously. Just saying that it's not as impossible to force as you think, just many are scared to try and waste stones and money(not like we had hundreds of chests to open for free). If money and stones were of no concern you really think that whoever bought chests didn't come out with a lot of oj? Or at least more than the 8 that I've managed to get playing the entire time?
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support115

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Post Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:25 am

Re: Resolution Revolution

Hi,
Thanks for your suggestion! We are so sorry for the inconvenience! Our team will take follow-up action on this soon. Please pay close attention to the notice board in game recently. Thanks a lot for your understanding!
Regards
Jerry
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