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Bullhead81

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Post Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:23 am

Crystal's Ice cube

I know ive said it before, and others have as well. Ice cube needs a NERF!
I shot 1 time in pvp, no mana used.. Crystal Ice cube 3 times I got froze 3 times in a row!!!!. then 4th shot I was dead. Crystal didnt use any mana either.

I couldnt stun anything or anyone 2 times in a row if I had to! My calculations on 37 roco were about 1 in 15 rocks stun, and 1 in 25 crackle stun. Not to mention the damage on cube is way higher than any rock.

Why do you think everyone is rapidly training Crystal? I refuse too. I built roco and lava, i will stick to them. If something doesnt get balanced out I just quit.

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Post Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:42 am

Re: Crystal's Ice cube

Alright well even as a part time crystal user myself, I definitely agree that the freeze percentage is way too high. It's pretty much a free win every couple of matches. As for it being overpowered though, roco's rock actually does 172% damage when maxed, with ice cube doing 157%. The reason it does so much damage is because of crystal's high attack which is the benefit of using crystal. So while I agree that something needs to be done about the frequency of freezing, I think the damage is fine because it is the main reason to use crystal.
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Post Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:19 am

Re: Crystal's Ice cube

Bullhead81 wrote:I know ive said it before, and others have as well. Ice cube needs a NERF!
I shot 1 time in pvp, no mana used.. Crystal Ice cube 3 times I got froze 3 times in a row!!!!. then 4th shot I was dead. Crystal didnt use any mana either.

I couldnt stun anything or anyone 2 times in a row if I had to! My calculations on 37 roco were about 1 in 15 rocks stun, and 1 in 25 crackle stun. Not to mention the damage on cube is way higher than any rock.

Why do you think everyone is rapidly training Crystal? I refuse too. I built roco and lava, i will stick to them. If something doesnt get balanced out I just quit.


roco got 2.5 paws for attack while crystal got 3 so technically they should do more damage with ice cube than rock but it is not the case because Max ice cube gives 157% while roco got 172% on rock now if we compare lv 37 roco with lv 37 crystal with lv 5 attack stone

Crystal attack is 635 at level 37 (May be 1 point higher or lower)
so triple power with ice cube will do 1894 = 635*1.9*1.57 damage minus 2 X the target defense since it's actually a two hit attack (any number from 100-300) so it will actually do 1.3k-1.7K

while roco lv 37 attack is 541 and with rock will do 1768 = 541*1.9*1.72 minus the defense of the target so it will actually do between 1.5k-1.7k which seems to me better than crystal

Remeber in pvp those numbers will increase as the base attack is factored in pvp

now talking about stun, I just got stunned twice in a row by roco's rock today so I think you just being unlucky
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Post Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:53 am

Re: Crystal's Ice cube

Roco had his stun chances increased, but it is still very rare, and it is rarely helpful seeing as they reduced it from a 2 turn stun to a 1 turn.

They lowered rocos attack as well, but upped the critical hit ratio of rock and cracking.

That being said, I am a lvl 40 roco, and I frequently get beat by lower level 30 crystals because of the ice cube.

The damage doesnt bug me, but the freezing ratio does. But im not complaining. It is the way it is. I always get them back!
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Post Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:17 am

Re: Crystal's Ice cube

1dcampos wrote:They lowered rocos attack as well, but upped the critical hit ratio of rock and cracking.


How did they lower roco's attack? Rock was increased from 125% to 172% I'm sure cracking did too
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Bullhead81

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Post Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:23 am

Re: Crystal's Ice cube

Mavios wrote:
1dcampos wrote:They lowered rocos attack as well, but upped the critical hit ratio of rock and cracking.


How did they lower roco's attack? Rock was increased from 125% to 172% I'm sure cracking did too


His qs and volley stink now in comparison. the base atk is what campos is refering, i think

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Post Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:26 am

Re: Crystal's Ice cube

Bullhead81 wrote:
Mavios wrote:
1dcampos wrote:They lowered rocos attack as well, but upped the critical hit ratio of rock and cracking.


How did they lower roco's attack? Rock was increased from 125% to 172% I'm sure cracking did too


His qs and volley stink now in comparison. the base atk is what campos is refering, i think


Base attack didn't change for any dragon

I got screenshots of dragons before update and after update which i collect from the net or from my dragons and they all seem to have the same

I even done a spreadsheet trying to collect as much info as possible about each dragon

and QS and volley depend on your base attack only

However if you are saying it's low compared to other dragons, I would say roco got the highest HP in all dragons even higher than devil
at lv 37 with lv 5 HP roco got 3221 while devil got only 2976 though they both have 3 paws on health
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Post Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:40 am

Re: Crystal's Ice cube

Bullhead81 wrote:I know ive said it before, and others have as well. Ice cube needs a NERF!
I shot 1 time in pvp, no mana used.. Crystal Ice cube 3 times I got froze 3 times in a row!!!!. then 4th shot I was dead. Crystal didnt use any mana either.

I couldnt stun anything or anyone 2 times in a row if I had to! My calculations on 37 roco were about 1 in 15 rocks stun, and 1 in 25 crackle stun. Not to mention the damage on cube is way higher than any rock.

Why do you think everyone is rapidly training Crystal? I refuse too. I built roco and lava, i will stick to them. If something doesnt get balanced out I just quit.

You know what got balance out? Crystals block :-| the freeze function of crystal is pointless. The new "double turn" has made it absolutely pointless.
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Post Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:31 am

Re: Crystal's Ice cube

Raxzk wrote:
Bullhead81 wrote:I know ive said it before, and others have as well. Ice cube needs a NERF!
I shot 1 time in pvp, no mana used.. Crystal Ice cube 3 times I got froze 3 times in a row!!!!. then 4th shot I was dead. Crystal didnt use any mana either.

I couldnt stun anything or anyone 2 times in a row if I had to! My calculations on 37 roco were about 1 in 15 rocks stun, and 1 in 25 crackle stun. Not to mention the damage on cube is way higher than any rock.

Why do you think everyone is rapidly training Crystal? I refuse too. I built roco and lava, i will stick to them. If something doesnt get balanced out I just quit.

You know what got balance out? Crystals block :-| the freeze function of crystal is pointless. The new "double turn" has made it absolutely pointless.

freezing then killing with a double = enemy pulling a Jesus
freezing then the enemy gets a double = you getting turn control
freezing then both of you get single turns = freezing like before the update
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Post Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:59 am

Re: Crystal's Ice cube

Mavios wrote:
Bullhead81 wrote:I know ive said it before, and others have as well. Ice cube needs a NERF!
I shot 1 time in pvp, no mana used.. Crystal Ice cube 3 times I got froze 3 times in a row!!!!. then 4th shot I was dead. Crystal didnt use any mana either.

I couldnt stun anything or anyone 2 times in a row if I had to! My calculations on 37 roco were about 1 in 15 rocks stun, and 1 in 25 crackle stun. Not to mention the damage on cube is way higher than any rock.

Why do you think everyone is rapidly training Crystal? I refuse too. I built roco and lava, i will stick to them. If something doesnt get balanced out I just quit.


roco got 2.5 paws for attack while crystal got 3 so technically they should do more damage with ice cube than rock but it is not the case because Max ice cube gives 157% while roco got 172% on rock now if we compare lv 37 roco with lv 37 crystal with lv 5 attack stone

Crystal attack is 635 at level 37 (May be 1 point higher or lower)
so triple power with ice cube will do 1894 = 635*1.9*1.57 damage minus 2 X the target defense since it's actually a two hit attack (any number from 100-300) so it will actually do 1.3k-1.7K

while roco lv 37 attack is 541 and with rock will do 1768 = 541*1.9*1.72 minus the defense of the target so it will actually do between 1.5k-1.7k which seems to me better than crystal

Remeber in pvp those numbers will increase as the base attack is factored in pvp

now talking about stun, I just got stunned twice in a row by roco's rock today so I think you just being unlucky



you forgot to include xtal's higher chance of dealing crt damage because xtal has two shots but roco has only one
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