Lupa spirit channel

That's why I said lupa is overpowered. He is too good for his stats. And btw that whole "they are elemental and have downsides" bs, it doesn't matter what type I use them on, I can still get 2 bulls eyes and can still do loads of damage. Have you actually even seen frenzied attack? It can hit 1-6 times and is a normal moves, no strength or weaknesses against ghost. I can 1 hit a S mythik in pvp with that as long as I get 6 hits even without bulls eyes. For the third time IT'S THE MONSTER NOT THE MOVE

I've seen frenzied attack and it hits hard but it isn't as unbeatable as the MATK spirit channel. Most of the non-legendary or epic monsters have below to average MDEF while compensating in DEF. The stats of a ton of monsters(gnasher, Draco, branchy etc) mirror that of lupa but can be beaten in an elemental counter. The stats of lupa are NOT the issue. He attacks faster than most, sure. But his other stats are the same.

It's the element psychic(not mind game) abilities and the power of them. Put spirit channel on Draco or anyone and they're much more powerful in any slot of your party. Lupa? He's just more resistant due to his element. Maybe that's where your confused.

I'm going say that Lupa is quite overpowered with spirit channel is because it's his own element. The same element attack as the monster causes a 50% increase in power, so if you put spirit channel to say Draco like you mentioned it won't be as effective as Lupa using it becasue Draco is a fire-type based monster.

In my opinion the problem here is that Psychics have not got any strong counters, you don't see many ghost types in PvP, because right now most of them suck. I would like to say that by introducing a new type of element it could be fixed, not just for Lupa case but for the normal/ghost/psychic as well.
Introducing a fighting-based monster which are good against normal. Also, a bug/dark new element or form of attack which would overpower any psychics would help solve the problem.
In conclusion, right now, the game is pretty young. I'm sure we won't have up to 7 elements, there will be newer elements which would be able to overpower other elements. But remember this game came out a month ago. Let it flourish and wait a couple updates, i'm sure with introduction of other elements Lupa, would pale in comparison.

That's my two-cents for this discussion
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I'm going say that Lupa is quite overpowered with spirit channel is because it's his own element. The same element attack as the monster causes a 50% increase in power, so if you put spirit channel to say Draco like you mentioned it won't be as effective as Lupa using it becasue Draco is a fire-type based monster.

In my opinion the problem here is that Psychics have not got any strong counters, you don't see many ghost types in PvP, because right now most of them suck. I would like to say that by introducing a new type of element it could be fixed, not just for Lupa case but for the normal/ghost/psychic as well.
Introducing a fighting-based monster which are good against normal. Also, a bug/dark new element or form of attack which would overpower any psychics would help solve the problem.
In conclusion, right now, the game is pretty young. I'm sure we won't have up to 7 elements, there will be newer elements which would be able to overpower other elements. But remember this game came out a month ago. Let it flourish and wait a couple updates, i'm sure with introduction of other elements Lupa, would pale in comparison.

That's my two-cents for this discussion
~Garnered~

Where does it state that about the elements and abilities? I can't say I've really used an "off-element" more than a few times and it seemed the same. If that's true then I would agree that a counter element MUST exist. And one of the counter elemental monsters needs to be obtainable at nearly the same stage as lupa. That would give people outs and the ability to have a team that's not all lupus and win 24/7 or that be the most optimal build.

Dark would be perfect. Or make psychic resistant to each other. If this were the case. It wouldn't feel so bad have spirit channel two shot your other monsters. It would still be unbalanced because of it being on a psychic monster but it would have a counter at least.

I actually have spirit channel on my draconius, I have for quite some time. its weak. his matk is lower than his regular attack and therefore magical attacks don't do much. you clearly know nothing about this game to think that spirit channel is OP and not lupa, ive fought all lupa teams in pvp and I can tell you with certainty that he is powerful no matter what moves he learns (poison petals, erupting spring, any magical attack) his stats are the issue here, not the moves. kindly remove yourself from this forum until you actually do research and back up one of your points with proof, cause so far you haven't said a single factually correct statement.

I actually have spirit channel on my draconius, I have for quite some time. its weak. his matk is lower than his regular attack and therefore magical attacks don't do much. you clearly know nothing about this game to think that spirit channel is OP and not lupa, ive fought all lupa teams in pvp and I can tell you with certainty that he is powerful no matter what moves he learns (poison petals, erupting spring, any magical attack) his stats are the issue here, not the moves. kindly remove yourself from this forum until you actually do research and back up one of your points with proof, cause so far you haven't said a single factually correct statement.

I'm not appreciating the unwarranted hostility. You have no reason to say anything bad about me. In fact, everything I've said is true. I've never seen you before on my leader board but I'm in the top ten every day since the game came out. The only reason I'm posting now is because I've fought so many Lupa's with spirit channel recently. The number 1 usually has 3-4 lupas at different levels and classes. I know exactly what it's capable of from the defensive perspective.

The fact you're refusing to acknowledge that spirit channel on lupa is the reason he's op and not his stats is plain ignorant. He's an above average monster with a resistant element and an ability that hits any element for damage worthy of it being a counter element ability.

Now instead of trying to kick me out like an egotistical twit, try reading. I've basically agreed with 50% of what you said after the last poster typed something constructive.

In my opinion it's not necessarily lupa's stats that over power him. I have fought a few lupas with my champ and typically his bodyslam does as much if not more damage than spirit channel. Now can we consider the possibility that you haven't bred the right monster to find a good counter for Lupa? Perhaps. And on the flip side, once the legendary monsters become available, Angelo will be the one that everyone is complaining about because of, assuming from team space, has even more Matt than Lupa and from the looks of it mind bending will come along with it. Don't complain about Lupa too much or you won't have a decent counter to something in the future that everyone will complain about being OP. Now that is just my two cents

I think lupa is just overpowered as well. I have a B class Mystik lvl 35, a lupa same lvl and E class will whip me just using spirit channel. Even if I meditate. Its to the point when you see one in pvp, or Ladder you just say F**k!
Champs are imo also overpowered, A class such as physical should be weak against Magical attacks.

50% of the purpose of this post has to Do with what griev touched upon. What happens when legendaries get these abilities? I would hope the good players could try to analyze it at least a little. Spirit channel, psychic thrust, and even mind game/mind bending seem overpowered at that point.

As for your champ analogy... It's quite weak since we agreed it hits for the same as long as there isn't a double hit. But I've had body slam hit for less than 10 from an equal level and miss 40% of the time, though. It's no where near the ability spirit channel double proc.

Champ is more realistic to obtain with his power level. But yes, he has really high stats for his classes, for no reason. He's just the champ...

of course a strong monster like angelo would do loads of damage with spirit channel and mind game, anyone can figure that out. it still doesn't mean the move is over powered though it just means his matk is extremely high as it should be with a legendary class monster. lava is probably even stronger. it still doesn't prove that a move is too OP.

as for champs they are exactly as strong as they should be, their performance matches their stats. they aren't too OP except with water beads or absorption, that combo should be banned right away for being pure evil. other than that they usually put up a fight and are usually fun to face

tldr;

Server 12 is being dominated by a VIP5 with 2 S class Lupa. Where's the competition in that? I don't think anybody else beside me made it to his last monster. Spirit Channel is just plain bogus. One hit can get a level 30 monster to half-life and they even gave it the chance to do 2 hits.