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AgentZero_564

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Post Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:42 pm

Re: Just a Suggestion, Bring on the Hate!!!

It's an interesting idea, but I don't really like it. The talents monsters have give them character and uniqueness. If all talents were available for purchase, you'll definitely see the same annoying tactics used on different monsters. An example is the pressure swindle or res martyr. It really takes away from the challenge of the game. Rather than scouting potential monsters with good talents, you can just get any monster and teach it the best talents. Of course the skills have to good too, and this is already accessible with EoW.

My compromise would be to make additional two or three talents that can be obtained differently. Maybe a rune and Essence, mirroring the skill upgrade? With this, monsters can't learn just any talent. The potential for each monster is somewhat raised with more options.

Another compromise would be offering a better chance at getting epic talents with rune + silver coins. This plays right into Haypi's design. Gamble your way to better talents. Sightly off-topic.
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Post Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:32 pm

Re: Just a Suggestion, Bring on the Hate!!!

Ooooor,

Common talents = common and up, uncommon talents = uncommon and up, rare talents = rare and up, epic talents = epic and up.

Orr just let any monster learn any talent, for more variety, plus you guys are missing the whole point. Your sayin "oh it would be cheap" how is it cheap? It's cheap now that only scythe can be useful with Marty and res. I don't want to only be fighting scythes all the time. I want to see more monsters being used.

Don't like and admit it, every one has this combo pretty much, cygness neon scythe, flight. ? Right? Well I don't always wanna just see those four monsters in action it gets old and annoying. I would love to see more combinations of monsters. Like Pokemon, no body has the same set up.

And so what if they use a cheap monster with a cheap talent, they won't be the only ones. If they do it then so can you. It's not that hard to figure out.
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Post Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:38 pm

Re: Just a Suggestion, Bring on the Hate!!!

Krister_o wrote:Ooooor,

Common talents = common and up, uncommon talents = uncommon and up, rare talents = rare and up, epic talents = epic and up.

Orr just let any monster learn any talent, for more variety, plus you guys are missing the whole point. Your sayin "oh it would be cheap" how is it cheap? It's cheap now that only scythe can be useful with Marty and res. I don't want to only be fighting scythes all the time. I want to see more monsters being used.

Don't like and admit it, every one has this combo pretty much, cygness neon scythe, flight. ? Right? Well I don't always wanna just see those four monsters in action it gets old and annoying. I would love to see more combinations of monsters. Like Pokemon, no body has the same set up.

And so what if they use a cheap monster with a cheap talent, they won't be the only ones. If they do it then so can you. It's not that hard to figure out.

OEL with Adaptability = 1hko every non-elemental disadvantage.
Next in line-up = strong against that certain element.
You can tell me ''But that monster can have Underdog'', but then everyone would aim for Underdog Power & Adaptability.
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Post Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:46 pm

Re: Just a Suggestion, Bring on the Hate!!!

Koenaj wrote:
Krister_o wrote:Ooooor,

Common talents = common and up, uncommon talents = uncommon and up, rare talents = rare and up, epic talents = epic and up.

Orr just let any monster learn any talent, for more variety, plus you guys are missing the whole point. Your sayin "oh it would be cheap" how is it cheap? It's cheap now that only scythe can be useful with Marty and res. I don't want to only be fighting scythes all the time. I want to see more monsters being used.

Don't like and admit it, every one has this combo pretty much, cygness neon scythe, flight. ? Right? Well I don't always wanna just see those four monsters in action it gets old and annoying. I would love to see more combinations of monsters. Like Pokemon, no body has the same set up.

And so what if they use a cheap monster with a cheap talent, they won't be the only ones. If they do it then so can you. It's not that hard to figure out.

OEL with Adaptability = 1hko every non-elemental disadvantage.
Next in line-up = strong against that certain element.
You can tell me ''But that monster can have Underdog'', but then everyone would aim for Underdog Power & Adaptability.

Point is ?

First off, OEL's still one shot everything so, no biggie.

Secondly so what if everyone aims for ud adapt? They can just make a talent that cancels those talents.

Also so what ? If everyone uses ud, there will be more monsters being used and you won't know how many ud monsters you go against.
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Post Sat Aug 10, 2013 2:52 pm

Re: Just a Suggestion, Bring on the Hate!!!

Krister_o wrote:Ooooor,

Common talents = common and up, uncommon talents = uncommon and up, rare talents = rare and up, epic talents = epic and up.

Orr just let any monster learn any talent, for more variety, plus you guys are missing the whole point. Your sayin "oh it would be cheap" how is it cheap? It's cheap now that only scythe can be useful with Marty and res. I don't want to only be fighting scythes all the time. I want to see more monsters being used.

Don't like and admit it, every one has this combo pretty much, cygness neon scythe, flight. ? Right? Well I don't always wanna just see those four monsters in action it gets old and annoying. I would love to see more combinations of monsters. Like Pokemon, no body has the same set up.

And so what if they use a cheap monster with a cheap talent, they won't be the only ones. If they do it then so can you. It's not that hard to figure out.


I don't really see the point now. At the beginning, you suggested this idea so that your gryph or hippo can get rain. Now you're saying you don't mind everyone being cheap just to get even with those who are. Just like pokemon, not all monsters can have the same talents.
From this post, it sounds like you're just bored with fighting the same monsters again and again. Yes people use the same monsters, but their play style and their tendencies are different. Find counters for the people in your server that would make them want to change their monsters. That's part of the game. Keep finding what strategy works for you and work with it. Rather than just wanting all those flashy talents for yourself.
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Post Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:17 pm

Re: Just a Suggestion, Bring on the Hate!!!

Huh?? You just answered your question bud. These talents would make more strategies. Right now the strategy for 90% of he players is, Cygness/pewgway, neon adapt scythe res and a flight penetrate. No strategy needed bud. But with this there would be so many more strategies and combinations of monsters and talents and set ups.
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Post Sat Aug 10, 2013 10:38 pm

Re: Just a Suggestion, Bring on the Hate!!!

Krister_o wrote:Huh?? You just answered your question bud. These talents would make more strategies. Right now the strategy for 90% of he players is, Cygness/pewgway, neon adapt scythe res and a flight penetrate. No strategy needed bud. But with this there would be so many more strategies and combinations of monsters and talents and set ups.

Have to disagree. On s1, "strategy" is 60% oels, 20% what you mentioned, 15% pressure vertes with foresight and healing, and 5% actual strategy.

I kinda like this idea though I can see how people think it could get out of control. But what's the difference between martyr res scythe and setanic? I've never seen anything survive a pod martyr from scythe anyway. And I'd actually rather face adapt oels than underdog oels.
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Post Sun Aug 11, 2013 4:41 am

Re: Just a Suggestion, Bring on the Hate!!!

Krister_o wrote:Huh?? You just answered your question bud. These talents would make more strategies. Right now the strategy for 90% of he players is, Cygness/pewgway, neon adapt scythe res and a flight penetrate. No strategy needed bud. But with this there would be so many more strategies and combinations of monsters and talents and set ups.


No one uses that strategy in my server "bud." You say that it will create more strategies, but you don't necessarily disagree that players will want the same talents. The same 90% of players you spoke of will have three main talents: ressurrect, underdog, and adaptability. If you say these 90% of players use the same strat, then make a counter beating all those 90% of players. Problem solved. Make your own strat "bud."
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Post Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:40 am

Re: Just a Suggestion, Bring on the Hate!!!

this is the worst idea that i ever read. they have design each monster to have certain talents. and now u told to remove them and make them available to all monster? actually i like talent book chest but its only for a monster that can learn that talent. if u make all monsters can learn any talents than no more strategy as the game become trash and i believe all the "real" veteran players will quit this game.

anyway whats wrong with scythe pod martyr. damn its easy to beat. unless they put 50% resu pot on the scythe it will be hard to beat.

AgentZero_564 wrote:
Krister_o wrote:Ooooor,

Common talents = common and up, uncommon talents = uncommon and up, rare talents = rare and up, epic talents = epic and up.

Orr just let any monster learn any talent, for more variety, plus you guys are missing the whole point. Your sayin "oh it would be cheap" how is it cheap? It's cheap now that only scythe can be useful with Marty and res. I don't want to only be fighting scythes all the time. I want to see more monsters being used.

Don't like and admit it, every one has this combo pretty much, cygness neon scythe, flight. ? Right? Well I don't always wanna just see those four monsters in action it gets old and annoying. I would love to see more combinations of monsters. Like Pokemon, no body has the same set up.

And so what if they use a cheap monster with a cheap talent, they won't be the only ones. If they do it then so can you. It's not that hard to figure out.


I don't really see the point now. At the beginning, you suggested this idea so that your gryph or hippo can get rain. Now you're saying you don't mind everyone being cheap just to get even with those who are. Just like pokemon, not all monsters can have the same talents.
From this post, it sounds like you're just bored with fighting the same monsters again and again. Yes people use the same monsters, but their play style and their tendencies are different. Find counters for the people in your server that would make them want to change their monsters. That's part of the game. Keep finding what strategy works for you and work with it. Rather than just wanting all those flashy talents for yourself.


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Post Mon Aug 12, 2013 3:01 am

Re: Just a Suggestion, Bring on the Hate!!!

This is nowhere close to being the worst suggestion on here. There's already no strategy left in this game. And how is pod martyr scythe easy to beat when it ohko's everything? There's ways around it but not to beat it.
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